What was that character’s gender meant to be? It could be the best thing, ever, but the director, the person leading it, the captain of the ship has to be right. She certainly had me fooled as well. So he has a more poignant end result than the one he was looking for. I went out to L.A., for the first time, when I was 15 or 16, so it was a youth optimism thing, where I was like, why not? Was any part of it real, or was it all made digitally?It’s all VFX. And to be a part of something that’s so loved, who wouldn’t wanna do it? I wondered that too. This post contains full spoilers for all eight episodes of Devs. What was that character’s gender meant to be? 1 It just works in a different way. How did you actually even come to be playing a male character in this show? And so, I tried to get my hands on anything that I could, in the small town that I grew up. If you go back in history, witches are just women who are persecuted for being independent and having their own ideas. 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When I mention that, in Devs, actress Cailee Spaeny plays Lyndon, a male engineering prodigy who, in the latest episode, is fired when he tests out Hugh Everett's many-worlds theory on their algorithm, which makes it more functional but also adds another variable -- the multiverse -- that enrages Forest, Garland interrupts me to explain. My hunch is that the thing we call free will is not what we think of it. I was doing small town theater, I was writing music, I was doing local commercials about RVs. Christina Radish is a Senior Reporter at Collider. 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I’m never gonna say no to this.” I really didn’t have any other options ‘cause I was so shit in school, so I was like, “I’m just gonna keep going and pretending.” And then, it became a reality. He wanted this perfect boy, and I actually look very similar to Alex’s son. Just spotted this. If The Craft was about finding the individual strength to stand against your tribe, then Legacy is about standing with your tribe against the systemic injustices that threaten you all. She has this look of slight confusion and wonder, and she’s cupping her hands. How comfortable are you with ambiguity, maybe even bordering on confusion, in the work that you do?In a way that surprised me, I’ve become supercomfortable with it. It was a process, really. You don’t see that a lot. I think it’s so cool. Later, we hear Jesus speaking in Aramaic. So, yes, if he says to jump, I’ll jump. I haven’t been in this career long enough to be that picky, at this time. Lyndon’s a boy. He is portrayed by Cailee Spaeny. However, the next episode the following night When Alex Garland’s sci-fi thriller Devs premiered last month (as the start of the new FX on Hulu imprint), I was dazzled by the presentation of the story, but just as frequently puzzled about what exactly was happening, and why. How did you relate to this character that seems so very different from you? In effect, what he’d be able to do is rejoin that timeline, but not make the phone call to his wife and not, therefore, be the cause of the car crash. The biggest thing was, who am I gonna work with? It’s a very beautiful character. I just feel so lucky to have opportunities like this. Really, that’s it. At the psychiatrist’s office, Lily explains her history, starting with her past drug use, which seems to be extensive, and her closeness with her family, which she says is lacking. What was that character’s gender meant to be?Lyndon’s a boy. How important is a sense of weirdness to the kinds of stories you tell?In private ways that aren’t probably particularly easy to spot. This is his first on screen thing, ever. But like all good Garland creations, the answers only lead to more questions from the audience. I’m interested to see how it turns out. The wild finale of Alex Garland’s sci-fi series “Devs” managed to do the impossible and reveal the full capabilities for the mysterious super computer. I think it’ll be cool. Maybe if Stuart had been given a different motivation for dropping the elevator, like "Devs was responsible for killing Lyndon, so Forrest deserves to die", but just having him say "it was predetermined" doesn't make sense, at least It just felt like a huge lovefest, and it felt like a true creative collaboration. She also talks about what to expect from 'The Craft' reboot. In it, fugitive coder Lily (Sonoya Mizuno) invades the Devs building to confront sinister tech mogul Forest (Nick Offerman) about what goes on there and why her boyfriend was murdered to protect the project’s secrets. Hopefully, I pulled it off, but I think that’s what he was going for. I needed to meet with Alex, every day. It came to me with a slight sense of surprise, I guess, and that then led to that line. Hopefully, people like it. Add message | Report. Some people are really good at doing that in a loud, obvious, striking way. What was it like to do the upcoming remake of The Craft? I just let the gender thing go. By the time the title screen comes on, the opening lines are repeating at such a fast pace that it is a cacophony of sounds. She seems to be gender-nonconforming and I dig it. I got a call about 30 minutes after that audition and got the role, and then dove right in. There’s just one world, which means he can recreate his daughter exactly as she was, and rejoin his life exactly as it was without the car crash happening. I wanna be working with a group of people on one thing. The series finale of Devs debuted on FX on Hulu today, and it's safe to say that it raised more questions than it answered. If I set myself the task of “I’m now going to re-edit it as a two-hour movie,” I can tell you, flat out, I wouldn’t be able to do it. It’s quite easy, regarding directors, to think, “Oh, look at all the smart ideas they had.” Or if you don’t like the thing, “Look at all the dumb ideas.” That idea came from Lee [Walters], our gaffer. But there was this other aspect, which is thinking that these amazing things are being created called quantum computers, and we apparently live in a quantum mechanical world, and thinking, “Wow, maybe a quantum computer would be the best way of modeling the world we live in.” So it’s not just what the machine can do, it’s how it does it that struck me as strange and interesting. Was there ever a version of this idea in your head that was a feature film, or was it always this miniseries?It was always a TV show. It really is San Junipero like another user said, and I'm sure the government would want to do all kinds of stuff with this eternal life that is only given for 2 people on Earth, lol. So even though he believes in determinism, Forest was going to be able to craft a version of reality that was exactly the same except for the car crash, and go there?That’s exactly right. I didn’t go into it with that realization. People like to hate on them, but it’s the stories we keep re-telling, for a reason. I’m not trying to be disparaging to film; I love film. I hope she gets more screen time and development, same goes for the rest of those working at devs. They’re legends. And within that state, it would be a world of equal status to the world that you and I are talking in right now. I’ll never get bored and it’ll never be hard to find people to do something with. With the story complete, I spoke with Garland about some of the Devs mysteries I couldn’t solve — and asked him to go deeper on the series’ most addictive aspects, like the strange production design and that nightmare-inducing score (by Ben Salisbury, the Insects, and Geoff Barrow). Anything that you’re directing and working on, let’s go.” He just took care of us, so much. I’m always the youngest one on set, and I’m so happy to have these mentors to look over me. Or have floating lights, because that’s kind of weird?” Lee said, “I know exactly what to do. He took a little notepad and he drew pictures. D&D May be rubbish. It’s a that I wanna sit down with my friends and family and show them. SPAENY: Yeah. Cailee Spaeny is an American actress and singer. I can simplify it because I want the audience to understand it.” I was always the Guinea pig. There are people out there who achieve extraordinary things in film, and nothing can change that. Devs has precisely one blockbusting scene (the motorway sequence with Lily and Kenton). Miya Mizuno/FX. So the physical environment needed to reflect that. Jay Reeves on 'Safety,' Learning from Zendaya, and Being a "Poised and Chilling" Captain, 'Mank' Actor Tom Pelphrey on His 90-Minute Zoom Audition with David Fincher, The Collider Podcast, Ep. It’s where he puts all of his passion. But the tale concludes with both finding themselves inside the machine itself, living in an alternate reality where none of the show’s events happened. Growing up she spent a large amount of time in the Springfield Little Theatre, where she participated in many plays. But he still has this youthful optimism. I just simply don’t know. Some notable SLT alumni include Lucas Grabeel and Kendra Kassebaum. Spaeny was born in Springfield, Missouri. Let’s see how it all comes to an end! As Lily gets in deeper and the extent of Amaya CEO Forest’s (Nick Offerman) commitment to the Devs project is pushed to the limit, the success of the company’s covert work is threatened, which could result in dire consequences for everyone. His line came out of me thinking, “Shit, that’s my day job.”. The tech is the backdrop, but it’s these characters and whatever they need, whether it’s their daughter or their community, or they’re trying to find out what happened to their boyfriend that went missing. Sign up for our newsletter. We want to hear from you! The practical consideration is embedded into it. Whenever we, as a cast, would get confused about where we were or what story we were telling, we just came back to that. We talked about some of the motifs, like repetition. Because of his background, he brings such a likability to this very strange character with selfish wants and needs, but you can’t help but fall in love with him. I just feel so lucky to be able to work with them. CAILEE SPAENY: I was like, “Alex Garland? She tells him he can re-join the project if he proves his faith in the many-worlds interpretation by standing at a perilous height overlooking a dam , proposing that he will only be conscious of … It was a process, really. Tutti e 8 gli episodi sono stati scritti e diretti da Alex Garland. And, finally, Lily (Sonoya Mizuno) arrives at Devs for the final time, accepting her fate. When Alex Garland’s sci-fi thriller Devs premiered last month (as the start of the new FX on Hulu imprint), I was dazzled by the presentation of the story, but just as frequently puzzled about what exactly was happening, and why. SPAENY: I wasn’t very good at school, at all. It’s just there. She is a theme park fanatic, which has lead to covering various land and ride openings, and a huge music fan, for which she judges life by the time before Pearl Jam and the time after. I hope we get to work again together. We just all fell in love with each other. It was what it was, and the character dressed how they dressed, but I just tried to find the human part of it and the connections that Lyndon as … I was also the youngest one on set, too. Does this dialogue make any sense? Know Famedstar Cailee Spaeny info such as her Biography,Wiki,Body Statistics,Height,Weight, Measurements,Hair Color,Eye Color,Affairs & more ! Back at the Devs lab, Lyndon’s trailblazing work only gets him fired because it is at odds with Forest’s deterministic De Broglie-Bohm theories. The show was created by Alex Garland, whose recent movies "Annihilation" (2018) and "Ex Machina" (2014) also tackle sci-fi themes through the lens of intimate character-driven stories. SPAENY: That was just a whole other ball game. ** [[spoiler:Lyndon is easily convinced by Katie to climb over the railing of a dam to prove his belief in the Everett interpretation/many worlds theory that in some universes he lives and goes back to work in Amaya, and in others he When the Devs system first starts working, Stewart and Lyndon use it to see Christ on the cross. FX on Hulu's new sci-fi series, "Devs," tackles enormous philosophical and scientific questions about the state of our known world and how advances in technology could change it. I always thought Lyndon was a very feminine boy but just put it down to youthful androgyny. It was a really wide-ranging brief. Forest’s dismay over his entire belief system being proven wrong is short-lived, because Devs coder Stewart (Stephen McKinley Henderson) sabotages the magnetic lift they’re riding in, killing both Forest and Lily. I think it’s great. Cailee Spaeny is an American actress and singer. I thought about it a lot, before we start started filming, but once we started filming, I was just playing a character who’s a prodigy. Having worked at Collider for over a decade (since 2009), her primary focus is on film and television interviews with talent both in front of and behind the camera. He did so by allowing Devs to incorporate data not only from this world, but from every possible universe. I’m usually on some level trying to be subversive. Garland pulls of an interesting experiment by casting a female (Cailee Spaeny) in the role of Lyndon, a male member of the Devs team and a child prodigy. 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One of the basic problems with a panopticon like this is that although you can in principle watch anything , you don't really have the time and attention to watch everything , … That’s something that I’ve learned, the little time that I’ve been in this industry. » DEVS - new mystery starts 15 April 2020 @ 9pm on BBC2. He is terse, dry and dangerous and the head of security at Amaya. The Second Coming In typical Devs fashion, episode 8 … Also, was the computer always using Lyndon’s formula? How was this role presented? You cast a female actor, Cailee Spaeny, to play Lyndon, who’s referred to by others with male pronouns. 'Wonder Woman 1984': How Does Steve Trevor's Return Work Exactly? I think they’re exceptional composers. I tend to see science as being weird and mysterious and lyrical. You’re living in a why not world, where the possibilities are endless. Gold was a recurring design motif in the Devs building. When images from the past produced by Devs were grainy, Lyndon decided to fix it. What do you see as the practical application for the machine, beyond having the world’s greatest high-definition television that can show you any moment from history?That in itself would be a huge practical consideration. SPAENY: I watched it, and we definitely wanted to respect it, as much as possible. Looking for clarity, we turned to the woman So he has to accept a different version. He’s good at what he does, and he’s found his community and family in his work. That’s a bit like Chekhov’s Gun. One of the shots that came out was this really unexpected posture that in a funny way you’d never choose for a statue. Another theatrical one is deus ex machina. The thing that changes for Forest is that he has adhered to a view of quantum mechanics that does not include many worlds. When Katie applies Lyndon’s source code to the current algorithm, clear images and Cailee Spaeny is an American actress and singer. I felt like if you placed this person here as this recurring theme that you’re refusing to acknowledge in a narrative way, he’s always being dealt with in an inconsequential way. That really stems from my own sense about science, which is that it’s often presented as something that is dry and arrogant and boring. He was like, “Okay, so this is the quantum universe.” I kind of understood. That’s the real heartbeat behind the show. It was what it was, and the character dressed how they dressed, but I just tried to find the human part of it and the connections that Lyndon as making, throughout the way, and his passion for this company. There was a particular quality of youth that I was hunting for, and it just occurred to me at a certain point, “What if I cast a young woman to play this boy?” I discussed that with the casting director, Carmen Cuba, and she said, “You should meet this actress, Cailee Spaeny.” And as she walked through the door, I thought, “Yeah, that’s him. But my instincts are towards determinism rather than against it. He’s nowhere near hypermasculine, he’s actually really slim-built, even slightly androgynous (androgyny is a major theme in Devs: Lily, Jamie, Lyndon – it almost seems like a message: “the intellectual / technocratic elite is above the archaic gender-binary”). Lyndon Gender In the short description for Episode 6 it says: "Lyndon breaks into Stewart's Winnebago and asks him to help her get her Devs job back, as she is … Motives range from a thirst for power to a savior complex stemming from an incident closer to home. The ‘Ex Machina’ writer-director explains the mysteries of his latest sci-fi thriller, the FX on Hulu series that concludes today. She also talked about her experience making The Craft and why she thinks it’s a story perfect for re-telling, and how she ended up in Los Angeles and pursuing an acting career, from her small town in the Midwest. Lily (Sonoya Mizuno) gets a look at the Devs machine in action. It knows sisterhood is bigger than a single gender — it’s a bond of trust, one the movie stretches to include former bully Timmy (after a spell makes him “woke”). He is portrayed by Zach Grenier. Done!” I went through the process of auditioning. It was as much to do with physiology as anything. Collider: When Devs came your way, what did you find most appealing about it? The common thread of the latter includes parents doing everything in their power to save their child. 13 - Schony Lights a Fire Jim Schoenfeld looked at the calendar and then the newspapers, the fiery redhead had just been hired by … We had a young female director (Zoe Lister-Jones), who wrote that project, which was also cool. He’s very creative. It began by starting to look for a boy, and just feeling that something wasn’t right. It was written as a critique of the backpacking scene, and lots of people read it as a celebration of that scene. Growing up she spent a large amount of time in the Springfield Little Theatre, where she participated in many plays. Not a reference to Lyndon but to Lyndon's contirbution. The original idea was, “How can this guy Forest show the extent of his devotion as massively as possible, given the infinite wealth of these huge tech companies, and the way they’re given to huge statements about themselves?” So the statue and all the iconography the girl creates seemed right for that. But I’ve learned to accept it. He’s one of those people, where I’m like, “Anything you want, let’s go. (I guess that’s just what was determined.) I've just finished watching DEVS on BBC with DH (brilliant series if anyone is looking for something to watch by the way). Those are our modern day witches. Should we do uplighters, ’cause they’re kind of spooky? I think it’s really smart to re-tell it today. The search stopped. * CrossCastRole: Lyndon is played by the female Cailee Spaeny, but referred to as a male. We shot the little girl with this huge array of cameras in a variety of postures. Lyndon, still looking for a way back into Devs, for some reason suggests this dam as a chatting spot with Katie. I knew the casting director, Carmen Cuba, who had cast me in Bad Times at the El Royale, and she told me that Alex Garland was doing a show. But like all good Garland creations, the answers only lead to more questions from the audience. Here, Forest  — or, at least, one version of him — can reunite with his late wife and daughter, while Lily is free to pursue a relationship with ex-boyfriend Jamie (Jin Ha), who in the real world was murdered by Forest’s enforcer, Kenton (Zach Grenier). The series is eight episodes, and it goes through all sorts of different states. It’s a project that I wanna see. I felt like I was in an acting course, every day for six months. She was referring to how their Devs system is a God within itself but only on Lyndon's priciple. And we talked about the slightly cult-y, devotional vibe within the company. The cast is inclusive and diverse! When Alex Garland’s sci-fi thriller Devs premiered last month, I was dazzled by the presentation of the story, but just as frequently puzzled about what exactly was happening, and why. When the Devs system first starts working, Stewart and Lyndon use it to see Christ on the cross. I found some similarities, just in putting everything, my whole life, into this business. I was failing every test that I was taking. I just wanna be on a set. SPAENY: In the tech world, sometimes people can feel a little bit closed off to it because it does come off as cold, or intimidating and unaccessible. You’d have to say, “We are only going to follow a story of a young woman attempting to unravel what happened to her partner,” rather than have a strange relationship between two software engineers. But it was almost as simple as: It made me laugh. It’s the first time I’ve ever led anything. What did you tell the team that you wanted Devs to sound like?We start talking about it and working on it even before preproduction starts. This post contains full spoilers for all eight episodes of Devs. It taught me early on that my intentions weren’t that important. The series’ title graphic morphs a bit, turning Devs into the project’s actual name, Deus — and thus making the entire story feel like a companion piece to Garland’s directorial debut, the 2014 film Ex Machina. It would enter all parts of the story. It knows sisterhood is bigger than a single gender — it’s a bond of trust, one the movie stretches to include former bully Timmy (after a spell makes him “woke”). Tales of experiments gone wrong are a staple of science fiction, filled with depictions of scientists flexing their abilities and resources for personal reasons. And about trying to get a sense of awe into the science, and trying to echo religious music in various kinds of ways. When NASA introduced its first astronaut corps in 1959, it was strictly a men’s-only club. After you do material that’s as thought-provoking and challenging as Devs, is it hard to then find the next thing interests you because it raises the bar so much? to lead something like that. Made by Alex Garland who I think I am meant to know about.I think it is sci-fi rather than crime, but seems to hav Alison Pill in Devs. You just have to remind yourself that this is just such a dream job. I used to resist it and go, “No, no, what I’m trying to say is this.” Then I realized that’s almost in opposition to what stories are, and that half of the story is what the viewer brings to the story. I loved exploring that. What was that character’s gender meant to be? I feel that, too. “Weird” is a word you’ve used a lot already in this conversation, and one that comes to mind when I watch this show and your films, like Annihilation. Tales of experiments gone wrong are a staple of science fiction, filled with depictions of scientists flexing their abilities and resources for personal reasons. (I guess … Growing up she spent a large amount of time in the Springfield Little Theatre, where she participated in many plays. His whole life is in this job. It means Devs was never about predicting past or future, all Forest ever wanted to achieve was to visualize a portion of the past and create an "Import" function. July 2, 1964: President Lyndon B. Johnson, signs the Civil Rights Act into law; Title VII bans employment discrimination based on race, religion, national origin or sex. In all other mentions of Lyndon he is referred to as male (at the beginning even explicitly stating he is male, although being played by … He is portrayed by Zach Grenier. The second episode of Devs may have clued fans into the big coding project the tech company, Amaya, is working on. It’s a genre that I’m in love with. Lily’s arrival seems to be fulfilling her destiny, only for Lily to throw away the gun that the machine had depicted her using to murder Forest. Looking for clarity, we turned to the woman who runs the Devs operation, Katie, played […] With Jin [Ha], he’s only done theater. 290 - 'The Lord of the Rings' and 'The Hobbit' Trilogies. We first hear the line “open the bruise up, and let some of the bruise blood come out to show them,” followed by some raspy breathing sounds, all while we glimpse what appears to be an indigenous camp, someone sitting by some water, and the San Francisco skyline. The light should go down, and not up, and it’ll give this weird sense of the trees being cut in half, and this weird darkness above.” We said that sounded great, and then he went off and did them. The literal center of the Devs set is a prop meant to simulate a quantum computer. The youngest of the Devs and (for those who have watched at least as far as episode 6): The one who discovered that the key to getting the Devs system to work without error, was to model a 'many worlds' version of reality rather than trying to restrict it to a version of reality that only precisely mirrored our own, for which Forest fired him after the 'perfect Jesus' demonstration. It would be able to explain so many things. And then, there’s Zach [Grenier], who was in Fight Club. Do you understand these words? I never had a passport, and I’d never gotten on a big plane before. It’s so cool to see Nick playing a role like this. I don’t care. The wild finale of Alex Garland's sci-fi series "Devs" managed to do the impossible and reveal the full capabilities for the mysterious super computer. The miniseries’ finale premiered … How did we get here?” I’ve never experienced that on a set, with him being in love with our work and what we brought to the table, and vice versa for him. I’m just 21 years old, soaking it all in, like a sponge. The “Mercury 13” may have had the right stuff, but for NASA they were the wrong gender. Later, we hear Jesus speaking in Aramaic. People are very protective of that movie. It’s really sweet. Spaeny was born in Springfield, Missouri. She made her acting debut with 2016 short film Counting to 1000 as Erica. When that came your way, were you hesitant about being a part of a remake? SPAENY: Yeah. Looking for clarity, we turned to the woman who runs the Devs operation, Katie, played […] Send us a tip using our anonymous form. Lyndon is still dead in the real world and there wasn't any indicator that the Lyndon in the simulation was aware of the real world, right? Miya Mizuno/FX. I did that for four years, until someone said yes to me. male, [[https://collider.com/devs-interview-cailee-spaeny-lyndon-gender/ as confirmed in her interview with Collider]]Collider]]. The dynamic between Stewart and Lyndon is so interesting. It weighs three-quarters of a ton and is made of 11 gold-plated aluminum rings. Spaeny was born in Springfield, Missouri. So this was the deus bit of the deus ex machina. Some of those cues really stuck with me, like when Kenton shoves Jamie into the bathroom at the end of the fourth episode.One of the things about Geoff and Ben is they’ve got this very, very wide palette. And you and I and everybody would have experienced that when we argued about a book or film or a television show or a piece of music, and of course it’s just completely subjective. That’s another thing that technology is great for. It could tell you what Jesus was actually like, what did he actually say, how did life on this planet actually originate? So in that respect, I’m comfortable with it. Lol. It was shot in 30 days. He basically is in charge of the lighting. 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